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crazyaxe

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USSR always loses
« on: February 06, 2013, 05:32:29 am »
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Hello everybody,
I'm a beginner, but playing at Twilight Struggle, I noticed that USA events are more powerful of USSR events.
I noticed that most of early and mid war cards for USSR are for Est European, on the other side USA cards cover all Europe and world.
What is a good strategy for USSR? Every time I play on USSR side, I feel to contain USA expansion...  ???
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 11:03:16 am »
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I noticed that most of early and mid war cards for USSR are for Est European, on the other side USA cards cover all Europe and world.
Wait, what?

There are precisely three Early/Mid War cards for the USSR that concern themselves with that region: Romanian Abdication, COMECON and Warsaw Pact Formed. There are more Early/Mid-war USSR cards for the Middle East than there are for Eastern Europe.
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 11:28:17 am »
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Did you play a game? I think that against an inexperienced enemy, USSR usually wins, especially without the 'standard' +1IP to Iran.
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 12:21:18 pm »
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Well, I said that I'm a beginner, but USA can take control of Europe better than USSR and win (better events), can take control of ASIA better than USSR (USA starts with control of Nord and south ASIA nations), USA starts  with with AFRICA, confine with center of America and can reach easily south America from Panama.
USSR seem to me with few very strong nation and USA less strong but it spreads on the board like an unstoppable virus.
What is your strategy playing with USSR?
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 12:23:38 pm »
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When I say better events for USA about Europe, I mean that USA events go across all europe, USSR events remain restricted to east Europe.
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 02:22:16 pm »
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When I say better events for USA about Europe, I mean that USA events go across all europe, USSR events remain restricted to east Europe.
Again, not so - Socialist Governments, de Gaulle Leads France, Suez Crisis and Blockade all show up during the Early War, and all four can be powerful for the Soviets in Western Europe.

Europe, though, isn't where the USSR tends to score its points early on, I'll give you that. The Middle East and Asia are where the USSR tends to focus its priorities: a nice little coup of Iran with a 4-Ops card at the start of turn 1 makes it hard for the Americans to compete in either continent.
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 02:34:15 pm »
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Hi!

The main advantage the USSR has throughout the entire game is that they play first, so they normally have more oportunities to coup on battleground countries. The most common AR1 (Action Round 1) in every turn is for the USSR to coup a battleground country. Thus in a normal game the USSR will play his first card (normally a card with 3 or 4 operation points) to coup in Italy or Iran. Iran is considered the best target because if successful it will deny access to Western Asia to the US player.

Because they play first the USSR will normally get to coup two battleground countries in Turn 1 and the US only one. Another advantage they have for playing first is that they can make a "combo" with their headline card and their AR1. A typical combo is Socialist Governments + Coup in Italy or Suez Crisis/Arab-Israel War + Coup in Iran.
You also mention the US events are better. Normally, experienced players will play the cards for the operation points, not the events, even playing events only  in the headline. For example, De Gaulle is an event which works better if you headline it and then play influence in AR1 or if you play it for operations you manage to keep it in the deck so it's a problem for the US later.

Make sure you check all the info in http://twilightstrategy.com. It's the bible of this game, a must read for begginers, and a good reference guide for advanced players.

See you in wargameroom.com for an online game!


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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 03:44:47 pm »
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Make sure you check all the info in http://twilightstrategy.com.

Best advise ever.
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Re: USSR always loses
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 06:51:48 pm »
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Well, I said that I'm a beginner, but USA can take control of Europe better than USSR and win (better events), can take control of ASIA better than USSR (USA starts with control of Nord and south ASIA nations), USA starts  with with AFRICA, confine with center of America and can reach easily south America from Panama.
USSR seem to me with few very strong nation and USA less strong but it spreads on the board like an unstoppable virus.
What is your strategy playing with USSR?

Standard strategy is to take over Iran. If you have that, and you're lucky with the Korean war, you'll have 4 of the asian battlegrounds within easy reach. Also, if you can manage to work the USA out of Israel before they expand (Suez crisis, Arab-Israeli war), the Middle-East is yours. If you can decol into algeria or sneak some influence through Germany or italy, you can play for france as well. If you're fast and lucky, you can take France, Greece, Spain and Turkey, giving you a good chance to euro domination or maybe even control later (socialist governments or Brush War can be enough to take Italy, a lucky blockade or realigns can give you West Germany). Plenty of possibilities, but you need to choose what to fight for.

But on a more fundamental level, you are right. The US's counterattack power (as exemplified by NORAD) make any USSR country fundamentally vulnerable. There is no USSR country that is close to guaranteed to them, depending on where the US counters or attacks. However, USA has a lot more certain or almost certain countries, giving them a fundamental advantage. USA also has more events that give them influence in vulnerable regions (panama, camp david, puppet governments, oas, ussuri vs. liberation theology, destal), so they can still strike anywhere later in the game.

In fact, you are forced in a way to follow the history. USSR really pushed hard in a lot of areas on the globe, but lacked the staying power to stay in control everywhere. USA was a bit slower, but they had some advantages that made their gains more secure. Often in games USSR takes an early lead in africa and s-america, but USA wipes them away later. The win or loss in those games is basically decided by the timing of the scoring cards. Usually the early game is in favor of the USSR (strong push), which is slowly whittled away by USA (more staying power). The balance between these decides the game :)
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