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Have you won by European auto-victory (control of Europe)?

Yes, it was glorious.
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No, because I don't play against noobs.
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jpwrunyan

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Have you won by European auto-victory?
« on: October 21, 2012, 11:52:41 pm »
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The question is pretty self-explanitory.  Discuss details as you wish.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 07:21:25 am »
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Late-war Quagmire from hell (13).  Opponent not a n00b.

Detail discussion achieved.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 09:55:33 am »
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It happened I think once or twice.  I am proud to say that I have won more times with my opponent controlling Europe, than with myself controlling Europe.

The really fair comparison would be:

Winrate when opponent controls Europe
Winrate when you control Europe

The latter is 100%, but it happens so rarely.  The former is 50%.  The USSR often can land a knockout Europe blow, but if it comes after Europe Scoring is gone then it's very risky.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 10:27:33 am »
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a combo of chernobyl, east european unrest, and tear down this wall all in one turn let me achieve this once.

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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 02:34:13 pm »
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It happened one time to me, and in the early war to boot.  Red Scared, nothing to discard to Blockade, Socialist Governments and DeGaul on the previous turn, and a hand full of junk cards.  Oh, and USSR was holding Europe Scoring.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 10:17:02 am »
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@ Nightlyraver: That game sounds hilarious
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 10:31:57 am »
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It almost happened to me last time. I was playing with US, I was healined RedScare and in AR1 I was Blockaded and lost WG.
"Ok, don't worry, I still have Italy and a lot of things to do with my poor 2/1 Ops cards hand" I thought.
But in AR2, USSR player made realignement rolls in Europe and despite his negative modifiers I lost 2 in Italy, 1 in France and 2 in UK.

Dark times for freedom in Europe.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 08:01:02 pm »
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No matter what your skill level, with enough games eventually someone will win by Europe Control.

US probably has the easier time. If the US can keep all of the W. Europe battlegrounds, can headline Chernobyl, then activate Solidarity and Tear Down This Wall (and neutralize Warsaw Pact) then the US can easily get Europe control before the game ends. (EEU helps too.) Even if they lose France, they can control all of the surrounding countries (UK, Spain, Italy, Algeria, W. Germany) and have an overall +4 to realignments through TDTW. After all that, the only cards that could potentially help the USSR would be The Reformer and possibly Pershing II Deployed.

USSR has a harder time.  Ideally they would steal W. Germany with Blockade, coup or Brush War to get Italy, then use De Gaulle as a headline to take France. (Not necessarily in that order.) Activating Socialist Governments more than once would also help.

The hardest part of a Europe Control win is keeping it until Europe Scoring or the end game.  Bidding wars can easily place influence in the teens and 20s.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 05:23:55 am »
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No matter what your skill level, with enough games eventually someone will win by Europe Control.

Fully agree with this. :)
Somehow the biggest problem for beginner players is to learn to stop after achieving Domination in Europe - even in a 4 to 1 BG - and to not wast too many OPs ( and subsequent opportunities on other regions ) attempting to gain a Control ...  ::)
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2012, 12:36:55 pm »
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I notched my first European Control win recently; very satisfying.

I would say that a successful Brush War in Italy can be pretty key - It can turn a fairly edgy 4-2 control into a brick wall 0-6. Europe control is probably easier for USSR than USA, would people agree?
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2012, 07:00:45 pm »
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I notched my first European Control win recently; very satisfying.

I would say that a successful Brush War in Italy can be pretty key - It can turn a fairly edgy 4-2 control into a brick wall 0-6. Europe control is probably easier for USSR than USA, would people agree?

I agree with that.  My only close Euro control victory was with the USA and the only country I did not control was EGermany - my opponent did not control EGermany either.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2012, 04:07:49 am »
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I notched my first European Control win recently; very satisfying.

I would say that a successful Brush War in Italy can be pretty key - It can turn a fairly edgy 4-2 control into a brick wall 0-6. Europe control is probably easier for USSR than USA, would people agree?

I agree with that.  My only close Euro control victory was with the USA and the only country I did not control was EGermany - my opponent did not control EGermany either.

Huh? You need control of all BGs in a region to qualify for control of a region...
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2012, 09:21:40 am »
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I notched my first European Control win recently; very satisfying.

I would say that a successful Brush War in Italy can be pretty key - It can turn a fairly edgy 4-2 control into a brick wall 0-6. Europe control is probably easier for USSR than USA, would people agree?

I agree with that.  My only close Euro control victory was with the USA and the only country I did not control was EGermany - my opponent did not control EGermany either.

Huh? You need control of all BGs in a region to qualify for control of a region...

@Azuredarkness, I think that's what he means - he has never won by Europe Control as the USA, and the only time he came close, he could not control E Germany (thus not controlling Europe, and not winning the game).

I think that Matty might have hit on the reason why - France and Italy can easily be Red or Blue, the USSR has two difficult BGs to take [Poland and East Germany] EG being far the hardest of the two - a few Late Ware cards help the USA to take Poland, but only really a canny use of Truman Doctrine, or an awful run on Quagmire could let the USA take EG.

The only US BG stronghold in Europe is West Germany, and this can be nabbed by Blockade, an imaginative AR1 re-alignment, or the classic Socialist Govs-Headline -> AR1 move in combo.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2012, 09:31:04 am »
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I notched my first European Control win recently; very satisfying.

I would say that a successful Brush War in Italy can be pretty key - It can turn a fairly edgy 4-2 control into a brick wall 0-6. Europe control is probably easier for USSR than USA, would people agree?

I agree with that.  My only close Euro control victory was with the USA and the only country I did not control was EGermany - my opponent did not control EGermany either.

Huh? You need control of all BGs in a region to qualify for control of a region...

@Azuredarkness, I think that's what he means - he has never won by Europe Control as the USA, and the only time he came close, he could not control E Germany (thus not controlling Europe, and not winning the game).

I think that Matty might have hit on the reason why - France and Italy can easily be Red or Blue, the USSR has two difficult BGs to take [Poland and East Germany] EG being far the hardest of the two - a few Late Ware cards help the USA to take Poland, but only really a canny use of Truman Doctrine, or an awful run on Quagmire could let the USA take EG.

The only US BG stronghold in Europe is West Germany, and this can be nabbed by Blockade, an imaginative AR1 re-alignment, or the classic Socialist Govs-Headline -> AR1 move in combo.

Thanks Azure... That was a typo and you still got the point of what I was trying to say - that I was close to a Euro control as USA.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 03:45:43 pm »
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Me and my friend have played around 20 games so far and at least 3 have ended with US auto-victory in Europe. I had a pretty easy Europe auto-win as US in turn 9 recently. I controlled Poland from before through John Paul, EEU and some tenacity (should USSR fight US domination in Poland to the death?). Italy and France were mine from before. I got EG simply by headlining Chernobyl and Star Wars-ing EEU unrest again. Even without EEU i think I could have broken UUSR control, he had 5 INF and I had an entire turn to do it (- 1 card for Europe Scoring, of course). How much over protection would you deem necessary in EG and Poland, by turn 6-7? Say the Pope hasn't gotten elected yet, and you don't know where EEU is in the deck?
Sorry if the question is impossible to answer a priori, but feel free to give me your opinion!
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2012, 05:48:39 pm »
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Especially when Europe is the last point of contention, I often see it go up to 0/6 or 0/7 (i.e., triple- or quadruple-overcontrolled). 
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2012, 06:05:41 pm »
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Me and my friend have played around 20 games so far and at least 3 have ended with US auto-victory in Europe. I had a pretty easy Europe auto-win as US in turn 9 recently. I controlled Poland from before through John Paul, EEU and some tenacity (should USSR fight US domination in Poland to the death?). Italy and France were mine from before. I got EG simply by headlining Chernobyl and Star Wars-ing EEU unrest again. Even without EEU i think I could have broken UUSR control, he had 5 INF and I had an entire turn to do it (- 1 card for Europe Scoring, of course). How much over protection would you deem necessary in EG and Poland, by turn 6-7? Say the Pope hasn't gotten elected yet, and you don't know where EEU is in the deck?
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at least 5 or 6...i would feel very nervous being in the late war as the ussr with only 1 bg controlled tho...even with a big overcontrol.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2012, 08:43:33 pm »
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Me and my friend have played around 20 games so far and at least 3 have ended with US auto-victory in Europe. I had a pretty easy Europe auto-win as US in turn 9 recently. I controlled Poland from before through John Paul, EEU and some tenacity (should USSR fight US domination in Poland to the death?). Italy and France were mine from before. I got EG simply by headlining Chernobyl and Star Wars-ing EEU unrest again. Even without EEU i think I could have broken UUSR control, he had 5 INF and I had an entire turn to do it (- 1 card for Europe Scoring, of course). How much over protection would you deem necessary in EG and Poland, by turn 6-7? Say the Pope hasn't gotten elected yet, and you don't know where EEU is in the deck?
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at least 5 or 6...i would feel very nervous being in the late war as the ussr with only 1 bg controlled tho...even with a big overcontrol.

Or just hope that you (or the USA) have not played Warsaw Pact as an event... that is a killer when that comes out Late War.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2012, 09:55:47 pm »
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Especially when Europe is the last point of contention, I often see it go up to 0/6 or 0/7 (i.e., triple- or quadruple-overcontrolled).

Exactly.  I have found myself in many games where the USA dominates Europe.  Usually I will cease control of Poland at some point in the game due to Solidarity and JohnPaul.  I will end up with 7 or 8 INF in EG so the US doesn't make a play for it.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 03:32:20 am »
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Damn, 8 INF in EG? We have been playing fast and loose with Germany I realize. Although one explanation could be we usually go for the opening setup of 3 EG, 3 Poland, 3 Yugoslavia. I know most players would favour only one in Yugo, and I know why.
Do you usually stick a lot of INF in EG, or does Warsaw Pact and Comecon take care of that for you (usually that is?)
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 07:07:23 am »
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Damn, 8 INF in EG? We have been playing fast and loose with Germany I realize. Although one explanation could be we usually go for the opening setup of 3 EG, 3 Poland, 3 Yugoslavia. I know most players would favour only one in Yugo, and I know why.
Do you usually stick a lot of INF in EG, or does Warsaw Pact and Comecon take care of that for you (usually that is?)

EGER/POL usually start out at 4/4 for me, then Comecon takes it to 5/5, then Warsaw Pact takes them to 7/7.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2012, 11:27:33 am »
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ok, thanks for all the advice!
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2012, 01:21:44 am »
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Had my first one tonight as the USA player!  Yay!
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2012, 12:49:11 pm »
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Had my first one tonight as the USA player!  Yay!

That was fun to defend against.  I think you had three 4 OP cards, JP2, and Solidarity.  Such a perfect final t10 hand!  Either way that 14 point hole I was in during T1 or T2 was a learning experience.
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Re: Have you won by European auto-victory?
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2012, 05:18:48 pm »
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That was fun to defend against.  I think you had three 4 OP cards, JP2, and Solidarity.  Such a perfect final t10 hand!  Either way that 14 point hole I was in during T1 or T2 was a learning experience.

Nice hand. Last game I played as USA I had a Late War hand of Solidarnost and East Eur Unrest, plus on the last AR7 I had played into Poland making it US 3-4 USSR. I headlined Grain Sales and pulled Truman Doctrine out - such luck! - giving me 3-0 control. For AR1 he played Warsaw Pact to clear out Poland altogether. He wasn't best pleased to see Solidarity for my AR1.

Still, I think you've got to have the Ops (and preferably a bit of Red Scare/Chernobyl) to take E Germany.
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