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SnowFire

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Re: A big US Win before Turn 8
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2013, 04:23:24 pm »
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Exactly, the US already was up on countries, and can get (and wants to get anyway for NORAD!) 2 more cheaply in Canada & the UK.  Thus fighting a dom war via tons of minors is a very expensive endeavor at best.  I was referring most specifically to the Truman Doctrine play after France was already conceded, putting the US up 7(!) countries to 4 - there's just no point in fighting for Europe then.  But while more defensible, I don't think piling into France AR3 is great either.

Getting into ops wars is useful when
A) You just have more ops to spend (strong hand, RS/P, etc.)
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B) You don't have much else good to do with your ops, while your opponent has lots of places they'd like to spend ops, and you want to pick a fight in a place you can profitably get a reward or force your opponent to do nothing and fight you there.

Neither of these are true for the Soviets.  They can perhaps slow the US's expansion into South America, but equally so they'd like to go nuts in Africa and to a lesser extent Asia right now.

Additionally, France is of questionable value anyway.  Maybe Europe Scoring & 5-year plan or Socialist Governments will be in the Soviet hand on turn 4 or 5.  Maybe Tear Down This Wall will pwn Soviet France with a +3 or +4 realign (it's totally surrounded except for maybe Algeria!) before a Late War / final scoring of Europe.

So:
* Given that taking France has failed, ignoring Europe *definitely* makes sense on AR4.
* Backing up to AR3 ("Captured Nazi Scientist"), fighting for France knowing that Truman Doctrine is safely in hand is plausible, but not really recommended with a low-ops hand and lots of things to spend said ops on (South Korea, South Africa, etc.).  A stronger play would be to take Algeria with De Gaulle's influence immediately, or to coup Colombia (force both Panama & Venezuela to be protected, maybe even do the rare Andean crawl toward Chile).
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Re: A big US Win before Turn 8
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2013, 10:11:39 pm »
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I completely agree with SnowFire. Only get into an ops war if you can afford to do so. If you have a strong ops hand, getting into an ops war is great because you drain your opponent of his ops and will be rewarded for your efforts. Also, if your opponent is trying to do something like lock down africa or south america, then distracting them with an ops war somewhere else is a great way to delay their progress in South America/Africa and buy you time to draw a key event that will get your foot in the door.
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Re: A big US Win before Turn 8
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2013, 11:09:12 am »
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You mention a couple times during T1 you were guessing USSR was holding to Middle East scoring and you acted accordingly.
Er... You headlined CIA. You were supposed to check and know your opponents hand.

USSR was uncredibly unlucky (running a -3 to -5 ops difference each turn) and played below par.
About your playing, besides all those options and optimal plays that have already been commented, I think there was a bigger structural mistake. You headlined grain sales twice and both times you returned the card to the USSR! If you want to give the USSR a headache then it's better to cut their hand size rather than let them the ops to repair (albeit a bit) the damage.
If you wanted so bad to get the cup with colonial rear guards, then you'd better used the card for ops instead of grain sales 2ops. As for VoA, i couldn't ask for much better than having USSR face AR1 with a big hole in their setup. Also, you would have reaped the NORAD influence too. He didn't even have the China card. Ok, he could space another troublesome card, but you had ussuri in your hand, so VoA was going to space for sure and he could have kept another card onto next turn (since you didn't cut his hand size).

Also, If I recall it right, you used SALT ┐twice? for OPS. You were lucky enough to grab it, but it's probably better to get a card than give him the chance to use the event later, even more so when the table was so in your advantage. And NORAD was in effect at that time? Not sure about this one.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 11:49:08 am by Zosete »
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Re: A big US Win before Turn 8
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2013, 07:33:15 am »
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Hi Zosete,

thanks for your comments. I agree I didn't use the Grain Sales optimally. It's a while ago but i guess my thinking was leave him with a troublesome card in his hand but you are quite correct I should have reduced his handsize. Since this game I have started using Grain Sales as you suggest.

CIA, I think this is probably me misreporting what happened. I am pretty certain I did look at his hand.

As for SALT, can't remember what was in the discard pile but because the board position was so good I guess I was nervous of raising DEFCON to 4 and letting him have a nice coup in Asia. Didn't really want to open it up to him because it was finely balanced there and I was so ahead in the other areas. As the US I aim to keep Asia, Europe level and concentrate on Africa and South America as the big points earners.
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