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thometc

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USSR AR2 after Arab-Israeli War win + successful Iran Coup
« on: October 20, 2015, 05:44:51 pm »
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I'm a new player and I played a game earlier as USSR where things were going my way, but I couldn't work out what to do.

US +0 with optional cards

Starting
USSR 4 East Germany, 4 Poland, 1 Yugoslavia.
US 3 West Germany, 2 Italy, 1 Greece, 1 Turkey.

Headline:
USSR Arab-Israeli War -> Win
US Marshall plan -> West Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey, UK, Canada, Spain

AR1
USSR: Nuclear Test Ban -> coup Iran -> USSR 2
US:  3 ops -> South Korea, Malaysia

I'm holding De-Stalinization, + Some decent ops cards (can't remember exactly). 


Obviously the successful coup and war is great, but playing into Pakistan at Defcon 4 is asking to be couped.  But the only coup targets I have are Panama, S Korea and Japan.  After winning the war and the coup what is the best way for USSR to press home the advantage?
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KiG

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Re: USSR AR2 after Arab-Israeli War win + successful Iran Coup
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 02:54:05 am »
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Oh so many things....

Don't know from your post if it was SK 3/0 Malaysia 1/0 or 2/0 apiece, or the general composition of your hand, so I shall speak generally and throw out some options.

If South Korea isn't taken then it's a good place to drop influence at DEFCON 4.

Malaysia is a good coup target at DEFCON 4.

You have Destal so you want your opponent to coup somewhere so you can Destalinize into Thailand. So why not move to Egypt? If he doesn't coup then you get Libya.
 
Give your opponent some tough choices, e.g. Syria 0/2, West Germany 4/1, threatening ME scoring and France as your opponent hasn't placed there.

Destalinization at DEFCON 4 would probably be France/ Algeria, Malaysia, South Africa, Chile.

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Re: USSR AR2 after Arab-Israeli War win + successful Iran Coup
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2015, 03:48:41 am »
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Thanks a lot that all makes sense.

I wish I had recorded my full hand, but alas.

It SK 3/0 Malaysia 1/0.  I thought about the SK Coup but decided it was too unlikely at 3/0. 

Malaysia is interesting.  If I roll so it is 0/0 it is a wash and if I roll high US needs a high Ops card to prevent access to Thailand.  If i then have to play in at DEFCON 4 it can be both Pakistan and Thailand.

I played into Egypt but without presenting another problem.  I ended across to Burma and dominating ME but he took Thailand unchallenged.
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Re: USSR AR2 after Arab-Israeli War win + successful Iran Coup
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2015, 04:40:32 pm »
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Congratulations, you've successfully evicted the US from the Mideast.  I'd try to keep it that way.  Normally I wouldn't add to Syria, but under the circumstances, I'd take control of Syria.  I'd also put a priority on controlling Afghanistan.  You could coup Malaysia.  You could play 1 or 2 into Egypt and plan to counter coup if he successfully coups you there.  Once you control Afghanistan, you could put 3 or even 4 into Pakistan--even with a 4 op card he runs a high risk of a failed coup.  And, if he's successful, you can use Destal to still fight for Asia.  You can always use ops to control Iraq and Saudi Arabia.  You might even pay 2 ops to put 1 influence into Italy to give yourself access to France.  He'll probably take France but at least he'll have to pay the full price whenever DeGaulle and Suez get played, and you give yourself access to France in case you later headline Suez or Socialist Governments and want to seize control.  If you're holding the Korean War, I'd try my luck at 50-50.  If you're holding NORAD or Nazi Scientists, be the first into space.  I probably would not coup because you're better off at defcon 4 and keeping him out of Thailand via the threat of a big coup there, and if he drops defcon you can get there first with Destal and pretty much guarantee yourself Asian domination.  Lots of possibilities.  But, it all depends on the cards in your hand.
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Re: USSR AR2 after Arab-Israeli War win + successful Iran Coup
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2015, 01:32:46 am »
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I would either coup Malaysia or go into South Korea.

-Malaysia:  Only if you have several high-op cards.  If it's successful, you have access to Thailand.  If it fails, you might frighten the US into moving into Thailand, at which point you follow-up by couping Thailand with your other high ops card.  But that's a lot of focus on a narrow part of the board, which may be irrelevant to you anyway, so you should probably move into...

-South Korea:  If Korean War hasn't been played, US is often reticent to get into an ops war for South Korea.  So if you make the first move, you might very well take it.  Thailand is still vulnerable to a coup if US goes into it (as Defcon has not dropped).  But even if you decide to let Thailand go - so what?  You've got both Koreas and exclusive access to Pakistan and later India.  So you'll get domination, even when US eventually gets Japan.

-Panama:  If you really just care about dropping Defcon, then coup Panama.  It might get you into Central (and later South) America, and is the easiest target you've got.  But I still think South Korea is the better bet - you can later follow up by couping Panama if you get the chance.  In fact, saving the Panama coup for Turn 2 or 3 is probably smarter (it sucks being the Soviets with the first coup in the turn and no decent targets).

I would not go into Egypt just to lure the opponent into couping and dropping Defcon.  You spent all that work kicking him out of the Middle East.  Don't let him back in.

I also would not play (or develop any plans that fall back on playing) De-Stalinization, to get into Asia.  Save it for Africa and South America.
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