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Julio

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How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« on: November 13, 2012, 05:02:45 am »
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In my last game I played with US (and lost) and I found myself with this inital hand without knowing how to deal with it.

1ops Romanian Abdication
1ops Blockade
2ops Decolonization
2ops Defectors
2ops Formosan Resolution
2ops Korean War
3ops De-Stalinization
4ops Red Scare/Purge

USSR started with 3 in Poland and 3 in Yugoslavia.

I tried an open WG + Blockade as headline, I'm not sure if it is the best option.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2012, 10:41:01 am »
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Hi,

I'd definitely do empty WG, something Like 3 ITA 1 Turkey, Greece, Benelux, Spain. Then Headline Defectors (to ensure no Sues/AIW). (rest depends on Iran coup and so on). Space Decol.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 10:43:04 am by Eruantalon »
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2012, 12:11:58 pm »
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empty wger sounds best so you can atleast hold one of decol/destal through the reshuffle..i wouldnt headline blockade tho i would go with defectors to stop any anti mid east or socialist gov in the headline.  play blockade early so you can threaten moving back into wger at any time.  Which card to put back into the discard is your preference. I prefer to hold destal and let decol go to space.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 06:12:35 pm »
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I don't know this opponent (obviously) but if I saw this opening I would definitely assume that he has Euro Scoring - why else put 3 in Yugo?  Therefore, leaving WGer empty leaves you vulnerable to Euro Domination.  So is it worth taking WGer and then discarding DeStal to Blockade AND spacing DeCol?  That's a big gamble, since USSR could then get both of them back as early as turn 3.  I guess what you could do to avoid this is to actually put 3 in Italy, 3 in France, 1 in Spain, and then headline Defectors to avoid Suez/De Gual/Socialist Gov't. 

Now say he coups Iran and kicks you out.  You can coup back with Red S/P if you want, or not if he rolled well and just use Blockade to play into WGer or Spain.  Romanian I would save until AR6 since we are assuming he has Euro Scoring.  Then you can space DeStal/DeCol and hold the other (there is a dispute over which is better to hold, but that's another issue).  The other cards you would play as normal, depending on what goes down.

Note:  If he doesn't coup Iran on AR1 and goes right into WGer, then I think you win this exchange.  I would gladly risk getting Euro Dominated at the outset in exchange for locking him out of western Asia.  On AR7 place 1 in WGer and hope you can headline Truman Doctrine.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 06:25:21 pm »
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Starting influence 4 in W. Germany, 3 in Italy as normal. Never let them see you sweat.

Headline Red Scare. Play Korea War for the event then put 2inf in South Korea. Space Race Decolonization, and try to do it before he can play Captured Nazi Scientist. Romanian Abdication gets you to Malaysia. Blockade is your last card, and it will discard De-Stalinization. Try coups with Defectors or Formosa Resolution, or take Thailand with them. In the rare situation he coups Italy and not Iran as the opening, put 1inf in Iraq.

Since you're throwing away both Decolon. and De-Stalinization, Vietnam Revolts is the only thing that can let the USSR get to Thailand, so you can probably take your time getting there. Hopefully Red Scare will upset his plans enough that he will have to activate a few US events. (Like Independent Reds, US-Japan, Special Relationship, NORAD, or even Marshall Plan.)
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2012, 10:05:23 pm »
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A below-average hand, but not that bad.

Empty WG opening is preferred. Your hold card should be destalinization, which is harder to deal with compared to decol which you have colonial rearguard to counter with. If you space decol in turn 1, you have only around 65%-80% chance to get it back in turn 3, depending on the play, and also you and your opponent are equally likely to draw it. Even if your opponent draws it in turn 3, you have colonial rearguard to counter with it in midwar. Its damage is easier to repair.

With your 7 starting ops, put 3-4 in italy, and make sure that you control at least another non-bg to prevent an early europe scoring, which seems quite possible given Soviet's opening. If the Sovient is willing to invest another 3-4 ops in europe for domination, do not get involved in the ops war, concentrate on ME and Asia. If they do not invest in europe, then you should delay the playing of Romanian Abdication as well.

Due to your limited ops, Red Scare should be played for ops and Defectors is your best headline. Time the use of your only 4ops card, do not take too much risk. If Iran coup is too successful for Soviet, then you may have to give up western asia.

Good news is that you have Korean war, meaning that you have a 50% chance to grab a worry free SK.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2012, 11:05:03 pm »
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Its hard to say exactly what your going to do, because so much of the US is reading and countering Russia's moves, when to fight them, when to out influence them, and when its time to cut your losses and press another region.

First turn Red Scare is a YES VERY MUCH card that you want to play, damn near always, as an event.
It's worth 4 ops as an opp.. but its worth 5-6 as an event, and makes it more likely your opponent will have to play China, or risk botching a coup. Its exceedingly rare that I don't want to play this as a headline, particularly in early war.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 02:49:57 am »
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Thank you all for the feedback.

Russian player actually had Euro Scoring and it's quite embarrassing to admit but he got Euro Domination.
It's clear now for me that Blockade as headline is a bad idea. Even more having Defectors and Red Scare.
 
Starting influence 4 in W. Germany, 3 in Italy as normal. Never let them see you sweat.
Awesome!
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2012, 08:46:38 pm »
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Setup: 1 to Austria, 4 to Italy, 2 to Greece. Possible extras to Iran. Headline Red Scare. Space Decol at some point. Keep Destal.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 09:40:12 pm »
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Re Riku: That kind of safety "ignore WG/France" setup seems off if the USSR opens with 3 Yugoslavia, which screams "I have Europe Scoring."  Now playing Romanian Abdication gives the USSR that Europe Dom for free.  I'd at least want 3 Italy / 1 Turkey to make it cheap to take another minor (and deny an easy Soviet Turkey), the 4th point of Italian influence seems excessive.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2012, 10:38:50 pm »
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I hate to give Italy to USSR after socialist govs. If USSR doesn't have socialist govs, then Italy & Greece & UK is enough to prevent Europe domination by USSR initially (its also hard for it to get it under Purge later). Romanian Abdication is not a problem on turn 1, since empty WG (=early removal of Blockade) will enable to play Romanian Abdication as the last card.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2012, 10:55:58 pm »
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Starting influence 4 in W. Germany, 3 in Italy as normal. Never let them see you sweat.

Headline Red Scare. Play Korea War for the event then put 2inf in South Korea. Space Race Decolonization, and try to do it before he can play Captured Nazi Scientist. Romanian Abdication gets you to Malaysia. Blockade is your last card, and it will discard De-Stalinization. Try coups with Defectors or Formosa Resolution, or take Thailand with them. In the rare situation he coups Italy and not Iran as the opening, put 1inf in Iraq.

Since you're throwing away both Decolon. and De-Stalinization, Vietnam Revolts is the only thing that can let the USSR get to Thailand, so you can probably take your time getting there. Hopefully Red Scare will upset his plans enough that he will have to activate a few US events. (Like Independent Reds, US-Japan, Special Relationship, NORAD, or even Marshall Plan.)

You read my mind with that.... Great post!
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 06:54:54 am »
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Setup: 1 to Austria, 4 to Italy, 2 to Greece. Possible extras to Iran. Headline Red Scare. Space Decol at some point. Keep Destal.

I would do the same, except probably headline defectors instead. Even though i don't care much about 6 VPs if USSR headlines europe scoring, its ok and headline might be something else.
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Re: How to deal with this intial hand as US?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 06:02:06 pm »
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Sucky hand.

I would assume he has Europe Scoring, given his opening.  The problem with the open WGer setup is that (a) he might just take WGer from you and just let you into Asia; and (b) you don't have enough ops to contain the red expansion, anyway.

I would want the ops, get rid of Blockade, and try to prevent the Europe domination.  I hate when USSR gets that on Turn 1, and it REALLY sucks if he keeps it and Europe is scored again on Turn 3 or 4.  So contrary to the conventional strategy, I would be fine with just putting both DeCol and DeStal into the discard at this point and just pray that he doesn't draw them on the next shuffle.

Start w/ 4 in WGer and 3 Italy.  Headline Defectors and hope that it cancels DeGaul.  Play Romanian Abdication last.  Discard DeStal to Blockade.  Space DeCol.  Use Korean War to put influence in S. Korea (after the war event occurs).  Use Red S/P to coup Iran back on AR1 (if possible). 
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